Is this the same GeorgeP who was on MyDD last fall?

In fact, it's worse; it's Republican.

Aaaggh--the R-word!

There's a vociferous debate going on here in a different diary about Michelle Obama's college thesis and what it implies about her mindset and exactly just how anti-American she is.  That's completely off the rails, but very few commentors seem to realize that.

There's an old saying.  In a race between a republican and a Republican, the Republican always wins.  Something the HRC Campaign should take to heart.

Psych!  Right?  This is a joke.

Obama consistently denigrates President Clinton's administration.  Furthermore, he consistently advances the GOP notion that the Clintons are evil, self-interested, etc.    Personally, I find it a bit disgusting.

So, kiss it.

You don't have to be born of money or have a lot of money to be an elitist.  It's not even about the class you are in, but the attitude you have about your status compared to others.

Elitism is an attitude, not a bank account.

It's Obama's attitude, his REAL attitude that is starting to show.  Obama can't handle this pressure.  Hillary is really Rocky!  No matter how hard Obama "Apollo Creed" hits her, she keeps going.  Now his real attitude towards white America is showing and he's trying to twist his words around to convince Americans that he's right-  We are a bunch of bitter rubes, clinging to our guns and God and blaming everything on the immigrants.  Oh please, Obama is really smelling his upper lip.

And this is the man who wants to make change???  I don't think so.

HIllary '08  Real Change, Real Hope.

"If you're a Clinton supporter at this point and you're honest with yourself, you know she's running a Republican campaign against him. You might trick yourself into thinking she is just being tough and doing what's necessary. But she certainly isn't the one fighting for our world-view and our vision of what makes this country great. You might think she has to win by any means necessary, but you're certainly not proud of her."

Thank you for taking the time to tell me how I feel.

If she was, Obama would have outta here a while back.  Hillary is better than her campaign as been run in the past, but the last month since Ohio/Texas has shown that she can change and get into the real contest with Obama.

I do not count this woman out.  I only see Obama followers starting to panic.  If Hillary wins PA by over 12 points, there will be REAL changes in her campaign.

Hillary will win IN, WV, KY, and PR.  I will even go on a limb and say she will win Montana (they like Annie Oakley out there).  Obama can't win this by June either.  That's why his followers are on these blogs begging for Hillary to quit.

Beg on, Obama-bots.  Hillary ain't goin' nowhere!

GIVE 'EM HELL, HILL!

Let's elect a Democrat who doesn't actually mind being a Democrat.

- eh mm, That would be Hillary Clinton.

What he said was elitist to some , I don't think Hillary clinton as called him an elitist.

Many people took what he said rather inartfully as looking down on the culture and values of rural America.

It is not reality based to think some would be offended by what he said.

Now throughout this campaign the Obama campaign has used and reinforced rigth wing talking points about the Clinton's , she would do anything to win , she would say anything to win , she can't be trusted.

Once you get outraged about that , then I can begin to take you seriously.

We have so many leaders who were rich and connected to rural America , it really has very little to do with Obama or Clinton's financial status.

Hillary Clinton from the beginning has articulated specific policies and plans to solve the problems of working class families thats one of the reasons they identify with her , Obama chose the route of " Yes we can " , " Hope " , " Change " and that apparently isn't what working class voters want .

He is now trying to change that , when was the last time you heard all of this " Yes we can " crap lol.

It sorta like trying to change your personality on the fly , chances are it ain't gonna work .

I would say his emphasis on glitterati  is what makes it easy for him to be accused of such.

Of course!  It's all Hillary's fault!!  She's the reason -- the sole reason -- that people everywhere think Obama is an elitist, out-of-touch snob!  What you don't get is that thing that turns people off about Obama is his condescension!  You can't blame Hillary for everything!  

...who doesn't actually mind being a Democrat."  

That's precisely why I'm voting for Hillary Clinton.

she's being mean to Obama!

Seriously, I'm a very proud Hillary supporter. If she were like other  politicians, say like yours, she would have quit a long time ago. BTW, if she were running like a repub, he wouldn't know what hit him.

proud to support HRC - and lets reverse all your questions and ask BO supporters the same things!

Is there anything wrong with this portion?:

Once she accepts the Republican framing, she has done their job for them. Even in the wildly implausible scenario that she becomes the Democratic candidate, she is signing her own political death warrant by agreeing to all of the Republican attacks against Democrats.

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

what they should have said was that no Democrat SHOULD be proud, not COULD be proud. lots of Dems are showing their slimey side which beams and smiles as she runs one of the worst and slimiest campaigns in our party's history.

but i think the me & the diarest would agree that one day they'll wake and be very ashamed of supporting her despite her hideous campaign.

at the beginning of this cycle I was supporting OBama but switched to Clinton . Every day Obama validates my switch. Yes it is possible to be proud of Hillary. She has never attacked Obama or Michelle's character or made a personal attack on them. Obama gets personal very quickly- she was very careful to label his remarks not him as elitist. It is like telling someone they said a bad thing rather than they are bad. He unloads on her in a very personal way- Annie Oakley etc.  I have not found one single personal attack by either of the Clintons....

Perhaps that's a question we should be asking Cenk?  And Markos Moulitsas, etc.

IF BO goes to the WH he'll be astronomically more wealthy than the Clinton's were when they went in 1992. What repulsive classist framing. As if money was responsible for elitism. Apparantly you don't get it any more than your candidate does.

it ain't worth my time.

Anyone who claims Obama's post-graduate work was just giving back to the people, while Hillary's was just pad her own resume, is full of shit.

Moreover, anyone who claims Hillary is selling right wing propaganda (Obama is out of touch with rural voters by calling them bitter), while claiming that Obama is NOT selling right wing propaganda (Hillary is not Annie Oakley and SHE'S out of touch with rural voters), is full of shit.

Congratulations, Cenk.  You're full of shit.  You're disingenuous.  You're in the bag for a candidate, and you're so very, very biased that you cannot read similar news stories about the two candidates without drawing wildly different conclusions regarding their motivations and their Democratic bona fides.

What a surprise from a former Republican.

Cenk Uygur...the guy who got canned even from Air America. Surely you can find someone better?

right from the horses mouth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcyhJSAjA r0

Im guessing you think these guys are completely wrong?  

Also, yea Cenk was a republican but at least 5 of our best progressive movers and shakers are former repubs, I welcome their "coming out".  
well you cant say that about Ben Mankowitz
Here is a great clip:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RpSRKqfNHEw

Are you telling me he is being unreasonable?

Read this: http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/15/1427 30/254

I'm very proud of Hillary, she is running an ethical campaign, on the issues. She's upbeat and cheerful, she responds immediately to home and world changes/crises/problems so we know what she thinks and what she'll do as president.  Her experience shows. She did mock him once, but only on his campaign message, not on his character. I started out luke-warm on her, and I've changed my mind and now grow increasing more confident in her ability to lead the nation and clean up the Bush mess. She has the most well-thought out and comprehensive plan for exiting Iraq.  She's good natured, sunny, funny, thinks on her feet, and not perfect nor claiming to be.  I'm glad she doesn't think my soul needs fixing. I don't want a president who thinks I need to be inspired, I want a president who'll do the job. So, yep, I'm very proud of her. With all the media bashing she gets, she's still out there, in the contest, not frightened, not isolated, working. Actually I'm in awe of her.  If you want to know what she takes, times a million, just read the comments that will tell me how wrong I am and how bad she is.  I'll probably even get tr'd for saying positive things about her, and told to give documentation.  She's one tough cookie.  

People make up their mind and then collect data to support their decision...

We're all in that mode now.

Fight on for __

___ in '08.

I'll sign up when it's decided.

I suppose I have two options here.  One would be to try to respond to any substance I could gleam from your writing, and demonstrate ways in which you were factually incorrect.  But since your piece seems to be an exercise in insult and thought control, I thought I should respond in kind.

You do not get to decide what I think.  I am the arbiter of that.  I am, whether you are willing to accept it or not, very proud of my candidate.  

And no, it's not because I'm a bitter, gun-totin', church-goer.  I neither go to church nor have I ever owned a firearm, as it turns out.  That isn't why I am proud of Hillary's campaign.  I'm proud because she has remained focused and confident in the face of absolutely absurd garbage being thrown her way.  I'm proud because she devotes the vast majority of her time and energy to articulating substantive, detailed plans, rather than bludgeoning me with vague emotive concepts.

While the Obama campaign wasted three weeks on the old politics of character destruction, Hillary explained to me her detailed plan for Iraq.  She was the first and remains the only Democratic leader to do so.  Remember: this was a major Republican criticism - that Democrats could only criticize the situation in Iraq without taking the time to develop a real plan.

While the Obama campaign devoted two weeks to demanding that Hillary quit so he could win, Hillary talked about how she could create new jobs by introducing a bond-financed reconstruction project for our failing infrastructure.  She laid out choices for confronting the economic crisis before us, and engaged me in the process.

While Obama made fun of her and called her names, Hillary reminded us of something that many scientists and doctors have been saying for years: that a cure for cancer is realistic, within our lifetimes, if only we were to make it a priority, from the top-down.

So that's my candidate and her campaign - a real solution, built brick by carefully laid brick.  The fact that she can remain optimistic, and focus on issues that matter, while talking heads and perhaps folks like you are devoted to destroying her character, day and night, through relentless, warrantless and juvenile attack, makes me proud of her.

Your piece encapsulates for me so well what I dislike about the Obama campaign.  You don't write about what makes one candidate better qualified for the hardest job in the world.  You don't talk about what one candidate did to inspire your support.  You don't talk about a substantive policy issue that matters to you.  Instead, you just reach for some verbal poo, and fling it, all while kidding yourself (and, you hope, the rest of us) into thinking that Hillary's campaign has somehow been more negative than Obama's.

It's ironic, really.  You question the enthusiasm of others, insult them by claiming it is inauthentic, without ever asking yourself whether your own approach to this subject matter is worthy of praise.

My message to you, in a nutshell: grab a mirror, take a look.

Mother - Academic, Anthropologist
Father - Academic, Economist, (briefly Minister of Finance, i.e. Kenyan equivalent of Treasury Secretary)
Grandmother - Bank Vice President

Sounds pretty upper middle class and elitist to me. Elitism has nothing to do with money and everything to do with background and attitude.

Yes. She completely inspires me because she has gone where no woman ever has. she is breaking barriers that have never been touched before.

Do I think her campaign was managed well? No, I do not. I think that the campaign made strategic blunders - BUT - I understand that they were running a frontrunner strategy similar to Kerry and Gore. They underestimated Obama's competiveness and should have made strategic changes in the areas of caucuses and money.  I actually think that the Potomac primaries hurt her more than the caucuses. This is when she ran out of money to compete effectively in places she should have won (Virginia, Maryland, etc). This should never have happened.

At any rate - I am continually amazed and inspired at her ability to come back. Any other candidate would have been gone by now. But she has not given up and she keeps coming back.

I think one of her strongest assets is that you don't know what will happen next in the campaign and she has the ability to strike when you least expect it, which has caught Obama's campaign off guard at times.

I realize that sometimes Obama supporters get angry at the perceived negativity from the Clinton camp (ie ads, comments, etc).  But it is a 2 way street. Obama campaign and surrogates have hit Clinton hard as well (what comes to mind is the calls for her to drop out in an effort to drive down her poll numbers as well as her favorable ratings)-by making it look like she can't win, she's a drag on the party.

But that is truly not the case.

We all know the SD's will make the final decision and they will be looking at the exit polling from the upcoming primaries.

We also have to see what the final results are for MI/FL and the popular vote when the whole thing is over.